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Post No fool like an old fool (Butia)
So after 2010 and the the rather harsh winter we had in Europe I vowed no more Butia spp

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Everyone else back to planting Butia?


Sun May 07, 2017 9:18 pm
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I only have one Butia, the result of an accident, In 2008 I threw away a pot of compost of non germinated Butia seed I had picked up on holiday somewhere, left outside with no heat it managed to germinate and despite being tiny when that cold hit in 2010 it is growing (very slowly) trouble is its growing in a really stupid place about two feet from my greenhouse! all the other small Butias perished in the cold, I can't decide whether to remove it while its still small or leave well alone as it seems to have decided "there" is a good place.

Then you go to somewhere like Lamorran, see their Butias and think why am I bothering :)

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Post Re: No fool like an old fool (Butia)
I have one decent sized Butia (planted after 2010).
And a few young plants in the greenhouse that I am still growing on.


Mon May 08, 2017 8:19 am
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I bought this Butia Yatay this year. I've heard its legendary tales of hardiness :P

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Last year I bought Butia Odorata and it survived last Winter but with leaf spotting

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My oldest Butia... species unknown... survived 2010 with no protection and only spear pull. Came from Steve Jacobs and cost me £5. This Butia is very slow growing and is characterised by a massive sword like spear
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Finally a failure... Butia Eriospatha .... I've had it for four years and it weakened primarily because I did not remove the red Brazilian Concrete that passes for soil around it. I'm hoping for an improvement this year.

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Einstein's definition of lunacy. But they do look lovely. Saying that I can't be without them :oops:

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I have a caterinensis with just short of a metre of trunk, starting to show a nice arched crown now and perfect if space is tight. I don't protect it and damage to fronds is a regular occurance. lost count of erios ive lost, although I believe some were sold half dead :evil: .


Mon May 08, 2017 8:01 pm
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Interesting feedback guys many thanks.

Charlie I would go for a move as the lovely arching leaves look far better given a little room stuck against a greenhouse is not going to be a good look.

ArtV its always good to have back up, I have found Butia seem very slow from seed, maybe its just me with one on its second split leaf 5 years later. :roll:

How low did the B.odorata go last year Andy.. protection?
B.yatay braver man than myself Andy I am guessing you know whats going to happen there then :roll:

BTW Great looking palms Andy Butia are a very elegant palm they look pristine!

Mo how did yours fare in 2010 or have you gone for new ones?

Karl not really up with telling which Butia is which these days any telling factor for B.caterensis as mine said capitata which I believe is highly unlikely.
I am guessing mine is B.odorata as the flower spathe is clean looking?

This is my Butia that 2010 had away

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Post Re: No fool like an old fool (Butia)
Kev, I shall blame you if it all goes wrong! But I went straight out and removed said Butia (it was embarrassingly easy) it is now in a big pot and can be moved to a safer location in the future if it decides to grow

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Kev Spence wrote:
Interesting feedback guys many thanks.

Charlie I would go for a move as the lovely arching leaves look far better given a little room stuck against a greenhouse is not going to be a good look.

ArtV its always good to have back up, I have found Butia seem very slow from seed, maybe its just me with one on its second split leaf 5 years later. :roll:

How low did the B.odorata go last year Andy.. protection?
B.yatay braver man than myself Andy I am guessing you know whats going to happen there then :roll:

BTW Great looking palms Andy Butia are a very elegant palm they look pristine!

Mo how did yours fare in 2010 or have you gone for new ones?

Karl not really up with telling which Butia is which these days any telling factor for B.caterensis as mine said capitata which I believe is highly unlikely.
I am guessing mine is B.odorata as the flower spathe is clean looking?

This is my Butia that 2010 had away

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Kev... The Odorata had a low of -7C two nights but I had a lot of frost last Winter. I covered the base of the palm with a thick mulch of Oak leaves.
Regarding Butia yatay I was well informed that it was a hardy palm :?
Is that a Yucca Aloifolia mediopicta next to the B odorata in your last pic?...a beautiful if tender plant . Do you still have it?

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Mo how did yours fare in 2010 or have you gone for new ones?



I had about 7 ...only 1 survived. It was the scruffiest of them. It was in a pot. I had three in a pot and 4 in the ground. The strange thing is all the pots were together in the middle of the garden. The one that survived suffered no damage. It is an Eriospatha or whatever the new name is now. I've planted it in the front garden now. I have a biggish one in the back garden I got in 2011/2012.

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There's buying something that WILL die,and then buying something that MIGHT make it,and you have the reason for all of us. Plenty could say I told you so when my Croton died after 2 year,after my Maridols died after 3 (that hurt), but..Pachypodium,Mango, even some Plumeria are still going. My affirmation of the day.

ps, 2 years of Croton was worth $18. It was so beau tee ful.


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Charlie I am sure it will be fine are you not just going to plant it out then its a good time of the year.

Andy the Yucca in question is Yucca aloifolia "Tricolor" it was heavily damaged and removed it I now have 5 plants.
I moved them to a less sunny place in winter the one under an olive tree is pristine the 4 in the open the lower leaves get badly damaged I may have to move it back to where it was in that old picture.
Do you grow this one?

Sorry to hear you lost 6 Butia Mo thats not funny what went in their place?

Stan Butia were quite solid before 2010 and like you say its not definite that they will die it just another growing on the edge type plant.
The big Butia I had for 10 years and cost me £60 back then cost that out over the years and the enjoyment out weighs the cost of the loss.


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No, it may be 8 years old but its still little and all its brothers and sisters perished, I know I wont protect it in situ so a pot make sense until its A: Bigger and B: I have thought where it might get put and have a chance to spread itself. It would help to know what it is as I picked the seed up on Madeira off an unlabeled plant. So there a job for you if you ever make it down again - ID my Butia ( probably turn out to be a completely different Genus!!)

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Kev Spence wrote:
Charlie I am sure it will be fine are you not just going to plant it out then its a good time of the year.



Sorry to hear you lost 6 Butia Mo thats not funny what went in their place?


I got a Jubaea last year. Mainly rhododendrons :D

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themes wrote:
Kev Spence wrote:
Charlie I am sure it will be fine are you not just going to plant it out then its a good time of the year.



Sorry to hear you lost 6 Butia Mo thats not funny what went in their place?


I got a Jubaea last year. Mainly rhododendrons :D


Mo is that Vireya Rhododendrons? :wink:

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