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alpine
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:56 am Posts: 205 Location: West side of the Wirral, UK
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Once The Pride of Madeira
Oh dear.
This was my Pride of Madeira, which I know as Echium Fastuosum, last summer Savaged by the Beast from the East, this is what it looks like now
Click the image for the full size.
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:12 pm |
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Andy Martin
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:58 pm Posts: 1279 Location: Oxford UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
That is rather sad to see in your otherwise very mild area but when the "Sibir" comes it takes no prisoners as they also found out on Tresco. I have noticed on other forums that Echium Pininana has also taken a pasting.
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:35 pm |
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Kev Spence
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Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:59 pm Posts: 10902 Location: Loughborough, Leics, central UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
Sad to see Michael that certainly looks a little on the dead side I have never managed keeping this Echium through even our mildest winter. I too have just spotted my Cordyline also from Madeira with the head 90 degrees to the trunk.....
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:04 pm |
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Laurence
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:34 am Posts: 1822 Location: Weston- Super- Mare. North Somerset UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
Alpine, That was nice large Echium candicans (changed botanical name) you had there. How many winters had it been their?. In flower as well , or coming into flower. I always though generally Echium candicans was on the tender side even in coastal areas. You did not cover your Echium as this may have given it some protection. I had one in a pot with about a 12 flower spikes, and had one night of -3C and it killed it. That was under a verandah a well. Echium candicans would not survive outside in the open ground in my area despite being three miles from the coast. How cold did you get for the Echium to die?. But to be that large a plant in your area, you must be very sheltered. Always very sad to see pictures like that. Hope you a success with another Echium. Not sure what the casualty rate is for Echium pininana. Mine have been wrapped in straw. but I can see underneath black leaves which is not a good sign.
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:22 pm |
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Laurence
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:34 am Posts: 1822 Location: Weston- Super- Mare. North Somerset UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
Kev,
What Cordyline species do you have? If it is Coryline australis the top will die right down to the base and then reshoot maybe in the summer. This has happened to Cordylines in Weston in certain areas depending how sheltered the garden is. It is unfortunate that you might lose the entire trunk in one winter, and then it takes years to get back to the same height as it was before. So frustrating if that happens. But if yours for a different species or one of the coloured varieties, then maybe they are a little more tender. But you never know, your Cordyline might pull through yet...
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:31 pm |
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Kev Spence
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Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:59 pm Posts: 10902 Location: Loughborough, Leics, central UK
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:57 pm |
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Laurence
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:34 am Posts: 1822 Location: Weston- Super- Mare. North Somerset UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
Kev,
From what you described sounds like Cordyline indivisa?. Have seen some Cordylines labelled recently as Cordyline Indivisa as new plants for the season in Homebase. They had narrow trunks and quite thick wide leaves. Not sure on hardiness though. Maybe you should have pulled the leaves together and covered the top in fleece. paul would know I guess.
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Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:16 pm |
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David Matzdorf
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Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:06 pm Posts: 5321 Location: Islington, London UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
I think Kev and I both have C. obtecta 'Green Goddess', grown from Peter Richardson's seed collection. Mine is also looking damaged and may lose its growing point. The larger, single-headed C. obtecta 'Emerald Goddess', from the same seed collection and growing 2m from the first one, looks fine.
Kev also has a genuine C. indivisa. He gave me a seedling. You know what happened next.
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Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:37 am |
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Chad
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:03 pm Posts: 2343 Location: Inland Cornwall UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
Laurence,
Cordyline have been discussed a lot on this board, try searching and look through previous threads.
My own hubris is exposed in thread!
Back on topic, Echium candicans is a different plant from E.fastuosum and not synonymous [despite what Wikipedia says!].
My flora of Madeira is lent out at the moment so I can't check the details. My [often faulty] recollection is that candicans is a better blue, with a shorter flower spike, grows at lower altitudes and is more tender. Both are known as 'Pride of Madeira'.
Kew's recognises them without synonymy.
Chad
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Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:18 am |
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alpine
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:56 am Posts: 205 Location: West side of the Wirral, UK
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Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:43 pm |
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Laurence
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:34 am Posts: 1822 Location: Weston- Super- Mare. North Somerset UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
Chad,
I read your post with interest. I never knew this, as when I was first introduced to the plant in the 1990s it was called Echium fastuosum and remember when I worked at Wakehust Place garden I was told by a botanist of a name change to Echium candicans. Has it always been a seperate species?. I always assumed it was one plant. At work we have several Echium candicans (?) but a mix of dwarf and deeper blue colours. We have for at least five years classified them as Echium candicans. Does the RHS recognise both species?. Maybe then that would explain why my Echium died, I was growing the more tender species!. Can you please upload a photo of each plant as some form of comparison between each species. Can you tell the difference in leaf between the two species?. This is new to me and thank you for pointing this out.
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Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:35 pm |
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Laurence
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:34 am Posts: 1822 Location: Weston- Super- Mare. North Somerset UK
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
Alpine,
It seems I got my species of Echium mixed up as Chad hs pointed out. My Echium candicans died three years go. I guess if I planted Echium fastuoum then maybe it would be still alive. But -5.2C is a very sharp frost. Have not had that in Weston since 2011 bad winter when it recorded -8C.
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Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:43 pm |
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stephenprudence
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:33 pm Posts: 342 Location: Heswall, Wirral, UK (Zone 9a)
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
You haven't lost this Echium I'm sure of it. The Echium candicans at Ness Gardens looks like this every winter in the more exposed areas and always comes back in the summer. As long as the main stems are not soft it will come back.
PS Ness have Echium webbii and Echium candicans
The ones at Ness are fine.. I assistant garden there on Wednesday and Thursday.. the sheltered ones are fine but look battered.. same with Echium webbii but they will be back.
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Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:58 pm |
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alpine
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:56 am Posts: 205 Location: West side of the Wirral, UK
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:28 am |
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stephenprudence
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:33 pm Posts: 342 Location: Heswall, Wirral, UK (Zone 9a)
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Re: Once The Pride of Madeira
It will probably return from leaf nodes fairly high up the stem, but also obviously from the roots. It'll take a month or so from now I suspect, or a few weeks from when an average maximum temperature of about 14-15C occurs. That's the experience anyway.
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:11 pm |
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