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Author:  Stan [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:43 am ]
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Asplenium australasicum on a concrete birdbath ( fitting!) now put closer to the ground and Cibotium schiedei in a 32 gallon container. Both are about 10 years old. I've been potting up plants in this small yard since they cant compete with the Podocarpus for water. Cyathea brownii is now potted,Asplenium Mouri Princess had been in ground even longer then ten years. I could not water it often enough. When I dug it up,all the rootball had tree roots through it. Even then, this year I will have to put saucers under all or the tree invades pots.

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Author:  Eduard O [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:02 pm ]
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Nice result Stan with the Asplenium australasicum, with such a small trunk it looks completely different :wink:

Eduard.

Author:  Stan [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:18 pm ]
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Thanks Eduard. I wonder how tall a trunk they can grow? Unlike before,I found some interesting info on the net about these ferns. Not that I understand it all..but something about this ferns once called A.nidus is not and more closely related to a whole 'nother variant.
Maybe Tom could put this is in laymen terms while I lay down. :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asplenium_australasicum
Here's a photo too of my plants ( put upside down) keel below,smooth above to A.nidus said to be smooth above and below.

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Author:  Paul Spracklin [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:33 pm ]
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A. australasicum can take some frost, I believe - has your one, Stan?

Author:  Stan [ Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:57 am ]
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It took 2007 30f four five mornings in row ( 30-33f) or -1C and 2013 with not even a mark on it. Its prone to insects or snail damage. Its gone pretty dry here and there over the years Paul- but it held up. It might be the toughest of the various Birds Nest Ferns sold. It also gets big. Even Wiki mentions this type gets a thick trunk. Hard to imagine it in a tree.. A tree fern in a tree.
I'm reducing my back yard also of the really water loving plants. Moving what I have closer together helps also. Tired of watering plants that have reached a limit because of the tree roots,AND the cost of water.
I'm really thinking of planting xeric type plants that can take shade. Its the future getting here fast..

Author:  valdypiero [ Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:14 am ]
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Stan, here are some pics I took of A. nidus in its natural habitat in the trees in Malaysia. Those fronds can grow to 4-5 feet long. Often the fern gets too heavy for the branch, especially after rain when the roots soak up the water, and the whole thing comes crashing to the ground.


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Author:  Stan [ Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:59 pm ]
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Hi Valdy- lucky you to see A.nidus in habitat. The skirts show the almost non stop growth all year. I think I've had some kind of mess in active growth that never looked attractive like a true skirt would be- so I remove the old fronds.

Author:  Stan [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:54 pm ]
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Valdy's photo's? I wonder if those black marks on my fern are from staying too wet when I added potting soils around it? Maybe they just want something basic to hold them and what they collect. Because there were times last year it sent out big perfect fronds..and it had already lost most of the soils from cats and raccoons knocking it off the pedestal. Most of it is growing in a wire basket from its smaller days.
Just a thought.

Author:  Tom Velardi [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:33 pm ]
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Stan, I don't know how you keep such nice looking ferns is that dry climate. That black spotting may indeed be indicative of being kept too wet. These ferns are true epiphytes (as Valdy's photos show), and therefore want perfect drainage. I've seen rot on my plants (A. antiquum) during the rainy season sometimes.

As for nomenclature, what's what, and so on, I cannot say definitively. From what I've read, it appears to be another big mess, with overlapping "species", intermediate forms, and so on. I can say this - A. nidus (or what I believe to be that species) is truly tropical and cannot withstand ANY frost. I had a huge A. australasicum (or what I believed to be that species) that was in a relatively protected position and died after one winter in Fukuoka, so its frost tolerance is low as well IMO. Only A. antiquum (you guessed it, or what I believe to be that species) is truly frost resistant. My large plant and several smaller ones have withstood repeated temperatures in the -4 C to 0 C range with relatively little damage. I've known plants that withstood -6 C in Florida, but that climate is quite warm compared to coastal California or southern Japan.

Author:  Stan [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:15 am ]
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Thanks Tom. H.squarrosa had outgrown my original big ball of moss...so now its in double that amount. Its starting to get that nice "drippy" look to it like its melting. They like fertilizer..save time with the occasional boost. Behind it is Drynaria coronans. It too is just starting to get the large fern look. More moss soon for it too.


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Author:  neobb [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:35 am ]
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Stan, how long has that Huperzia been growing in your garden?
Such an exotic look!
Thanks!

Author:  Stan [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:22 pm ]
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Hi Ted. They really are a must have for exotic growers. I wouldn't doubt they would over winter fine in a cool bright room in winter- NEVER let it go dry. It originally was two 4-6" cuttings that rooted for me in a greenhouse around 2004. Did not grow much when I then transferred it to my yard in 2006,where one of the two cuttings later died. It was in an orchid mix. Around 2010.I took it out of that 4" pot and shook off the orchid mix and wrapped in Orchid grade sphagnum moss. Since then,its been a good grower- it made that big a difference.
Here's a pic of it in 2006 with both cuttings there..but you can see one lost its tip by then...

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