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Post Re: Some winter colour at 43ºN
wow- we are on the same page in plants. I think the F.elastica might be F.macrophylla.
Cool about the Pandanus.. I bought one last year. Its looking good- but I can tell it doesnt like winter wet. You are getting me intersted in planting it ground- BUT,I have a terrific gopher problem. I might have to stay with a potted specimen. If it ever did thrive in ground,I dont know where I could use a 20' x 20' Pandanus. :lol:
I have a Monstera that fruits..but Possums or racoons eat the ripe fruit. All I saw this year after a long wait..was a stem that once had fruit on it.

I think we are still GOTE as we both are far from a tropical climate. One big freeze...


Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:51 pm
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Stan wrote:
I think the F.elastica might be F.macrophylla.


I grow two varieties of F. macrophylla and I used to grow F. elastica, green and variegated. I think the way the leaves are held in that photo, their central fold and their apparent rigidity, all suggest F. elastica. All my F. macrophylla plants have softer, more flexible, less leathery leaves that aren't held in that distinctive "V".

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I don't see a single red sheath. Why I didn't say for sure. It just might be an OLD cultivar of F.elastica still available in Europe. I've seen in town one cultivar with very narrow and grooved leafs. The only others I've seen were in 1950's and early 60's TV shows as office plants.


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Julio have you tried Plumeria? A nice plant too is Ctenanthe tri color. It took me a while to hit on growing them well..they are not heavy shade lovers and like some sun and then dappled sun.
This was one plant that had been growing indoors for many years. Last year outdoors it did so well,I divided it into two. Now,I see both could go into large pots. Very showy plant- you never get tired of them.
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Hi Stan and David:
It´s difficult to tell ficus apart with these cell phone taken "lousy" pictures and from so far away. I do think it is a ficus elastica. I think the difference, apart from the "V" shape of leaves, which is right, with macrophylla is in the length of the petioles (they are twice as long, at least, as in elastica).
Ficus macrophylla var. columnaris (mine)
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Ficus elastica
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Ficus elastica rubra or decora (I´m not sure)
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The ficus in the parking lot is an elastica decora (I think) or the original one. No varieties.


Stan. I do have Frangipanis in the ground. 6 of them, in different places, but none of them has set flowers yet, and they were planted 4 years ago
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This one still keeps the leaves on. I have found out that those drom seed are much hardier than the ones from cuttings.
Ctenanthe is a very nice plant. I have it but in pots and not outside. I have 3 different varieties.
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I have had a macrophylla columnaris in the ground for 20 years now. It is over 8 mts tall. Look at the girth and the aerial roots
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I´ll write a post on ficus here, on the northern coast of Spain

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Looking forward to more to come! I've grown many of those plants,some form seed- like cup and saucer. I'm still tickled that you have a Pandanus. Whats a cold winter for you?
I found an internet record of Canbria's year. Cant be right. It say the winters are 48f and 35f..and no month is even 70f in summer. Whats the real temperatures?


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Hi, Stan. Remember that my pandanus is Furcatus. It comes from the Hymalayas. It is hardier than Utilis by far.
About temperatures for Cantabria ( not Cambria, UK) It depends much on where you are, since all the north coast and Spain as a whole, is very mountainous, and you can find many microclimates.
By the coast.
Yearly average is between 14 and 15 degrees Celsius.
Temps for January are 13 Max 6 min
Temps for August are 24 Max 16 min
The farther inland you go, the colder in winter but the warmer in summer
If you are on a south slope It is warmer both in winter and summer.
I Hope It is of help for you.

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Beautiful! Is that a howea behind the strelitzia?


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Hi, Scottin
Yeap! There are 2 of them
I was very Lucky. I bought two Big ones for just 20€. Just The pot was worth It. They have been in the ground for 5 years now and have started to form trunks. Leaves are thrashed because this is a very windy spot.
I Will post pictures of Big ones around here. Some, 8 , 12 mts tall and with viable seeds!

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Post Re: Some winter colour at 43ºN
julrodmes wrote:
Hi Stan and David:
It´s difficult to tell ficus apart with these cell phone taken "lousy" pictures and from so far away. I do think it is a ficus elastica. I think the difference, apart from the "V" shape of leaves, which is right, with macrophylla is in the length of the petioles (they are twice as long, at least, as in elastica).
Ficus macrophylla var. columnaris (mine)
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Ficus elastica
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Ficus elastica rubra or decora (I´m not sure)
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The ficus in the parking lot is an elastica decora (I think) or the original one. No varieties.



I´ll write a post on ficus here, on the northern coast of Spain




Julio,


Are you 100% sure the macrophylla tree is the LHI form var. columnaris? I only ask because the leaf shape and comparative lack of aerial roots in your wet climate immediately suggest mainland macrophylla to me. Leaf shape is not a true indicator, but often the columnaris form has rounder leaves, and rarely the narrow leaf form like your tree. I have a LHI tree which at 20 years old has much more aerial roots than yours despite my drier climate, again suggesting yours might be mainland macrophylla. I did a post about this on IPS last year if you are interested. One of my favourite trees!

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php ... ent-814468

I'm looking for ward to your Ficus post!! Show me some banyans!

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I have both forms. Julio’s plant looks like the mainland F. macrophylla to me, too.

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I´m not sure at all if it is Columnaris. Actually, I was sold it as Macrophylla from a garden center in Valencia some 21 years ago. But, since it didn´t show any “rusty” (tomentous, as you say) under the leaves, I asssumed it was columnaris. All the macrophyllas I´ve seen in southern and eastern Spain are always “rusty” underneath.
If the leaves in your picture closer to the glasses (T4) are those of columnaris, then, I would say those are the leaves in my tree. All the leaves in my tree are Green upper and under the leaves. Only the leaves at the top of the tree are a Little rusty and only in summer, and not as rusty as in the macrophyllas I mention in Andalucía.
About the roots, the only thing I know for sure is, that if it were planted in loamy, clayish soil (instead of in pure sand) it would be twice as big as it is today (2 times taller and fatter) and with many more aerial roots.
Cuttings easyly root provided they are in loamy soil. I have managed to root a 2 mts. long branch placed in June 3 years ago. No way if buried in sand.
What would you say these are?
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I took the pictures in Andalucía last week. They are labelled as Macrophyllas by experts. Can you see the rusty under the leaves I mention?
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These are Beasts. This ground root is over 1 metre tall!!!
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This trunk is not a trunk, but an aerial root. It is over 1 metre in diameter at the base.
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Post Re: Some winter colour at 43ºN
The 'rusty' surface under the leaf is not a definitive indicator unfortunately, I remember when I visited LHI when the wind was strong the banyan trees often looked like they had orange foliage, the leaves were blown so much the undersides were all that is visible. Also the banyan habit on the LHI trees ranged from extreme forms with 1000 trunks covering over a hectare and no defined central trunk, to some that had hardly any aerial roots at all. There is DNA work being done on the species so in the next few years there should be some answers. In my IPS post the 2 mainland macrophylla trees from seed colected in Gisborne show more aerial root development than most macrophylla trees I've seen in Australia, so environment is clearly a part of the banyan habit as well as genetics.

Regarding your photograps, If the Andalucia climate is dry, then I would expect this tree is columnaris as macrophylla is unlikley to grow aerials like this in a dry climate. If it is humid then it might be macrophylla, but still more likely to be columnaris from the growth form.

The two trees are essentially the same thing with a genetic tendency for one form to banyan, so the only thing that matters is select the form you want for your garden! Same thing with rubiginosa, some are banyans, most are not.

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Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:59 pm
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I remember a ficus in Tenerife, labelled "columnaris" that had green, not rusty leaves, and very few aerial roots if any. Many times the problem begins with the identification they are given, even, in botanical gardens.
The ficus in the pictures are less than 1 km. away from the sea, so the humidity is quite high. Besides, they are watered, almost, on daily basis, and have been so, for over the last 100 years, I think.
I also have rubiginosa, green and variegated, and some show aerial roots and others don´t.
I don´t know why they weren´t planted here, on the north Spanish coast, 100 years ago or more. They would now be spectacular with all the rain we "enjoy"
By the way, how do you manage to sprout the seeds? I have never been lucky with them, and I have tried it many times.

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Julio,Ben sent me LHI seeds years ago..and they make aerial roots in pots. Also,they germinated very easy and I was shocked to find one morning a huge fat snail on the seed flat. I do have two about 8-10' tall now. Very hardy,very tough plants.


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