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Post Doryanthes palmeri ( Spear Lily )
Hi there,
While on holiday last week in the north island of New Zealand, i came across this beautiful plant and took some photos of it. I have not seen it here in Christchurch.
Has anyone got any experience growing this plant in the UK - How much frost can it take ?

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There's a somewhat famous one in the temperate house at Kew.
I believe it can be grown at Tresco - Kev said pictures were coming soon - but I do not believe they are at all common in UK gardens. I'm a bit surprised they are not seen in the mild parts of the South Island like Christchurch. You might be a bit more prone to light freezes than Tresco, but you are warmer and somewhat sunnier year round, and surely have more GDDs. Maybe too many light freezes are a problem for them.
Are Furcraeas and Puyas common in Christchurch? There were a couple Furcraeas at the Miramar English-style garden in San Sebastian, Spain.


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Beautiful pictures Rod, that second one especially, the Scilly isles does have them David and they were on my second set from Tresco

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I cannot remember seeing any in Cornwall though our local crew maybe able to pinpoint one that I may have missed.
I did see a Doryanthes at Hardy Exotics a nursery at Penzance, inside a polytunnel, but 2010 and -8c completely zapped it however when we called 3 weeks ago it was green again assuming it was the same plant.


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There was one growing in Fox-Rosehill gardens Falmouth Cornwall, it was years ago the last time I saw it & it has to be said it was not a good looking specimen, I doubt it is there now.


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Saw it in the park on Madeira around the small lake, tried it here and it did a cheshire cat impression (looked less than wonderful and got smaller every year until one year it was gone!)

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davidmdzn7 wrote:
There's a somewhat famous one in the temperate house at Kew.
I believe it can be grown at Tresco - Kev said pictures were coming soon - but I do not believe they are at all common in UK gardens. I'm a bit surprised they are not seen in the mild parts of the South Island like Christchurch. You might be a bit more prone to light freezes than Tresco, but you are warmer and somewhat sunnier year round, and surely have more GDDs. Maybe too many light freezes are a problem for them.
Are Furcraeas and Puyas common in Christchurch? There were a couple Furcraeas at the Miramar English-style garden in San Sebastian, Spain.


Hi David,
We certainly do get more frosts than Tresco. ( Frequency wise, about the same amount per year as Southampton in the UK, but not as heavy ).
We grow Puya alpestris & Puya venusta in Christchurch.
Furcraea guatamalensis & Furcraea quicheensis Trel also grow here.

Thanks Kev - I know now they don't like -8°c


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I remember Richard at the Dry Garden had a variegated one. It had rotted its roots in a heavy mix from soucal...he then replanted in a lighter mix. After a year,it looked good.


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Here is the one I was referring too after -8c

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and a year later

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So kept in a greenhouse in mainland Uk they maybe ok but hardly worth the bother considering the size you have to get them before they flower.


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Interesting damage report, thanks! Leaf spotting makes me wonder if a pathogen stepped in towards the end.
I'm trying to remember if I saw one of these on Isola Brissago. Certainly, with a Norfolk Island Pine in that garden, they would not be too out of reach.

Slightly OT but this article contains a delightful copy editing fail:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/famil ... aming.html

I now want to see this film "Archipelago" if it's on DVD here. I think 1/2 the reason I watched Doc Martin was for the Cornish scenery!


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Amusing little piece David quite funny how she tells you that its Tresco not Tesco and then 2 sentences goes on to spell Fuertaventura wrongly Fuerteventura
A quaint series called "An Island Parish" focused on the Scilly Isles which certainly gives you an idea of life in this region, it is worth viewing, though I suppose its not something you will be able to see easily in the U.S.


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A friend of mine who lives in Christchurch NZ says they had a frost of -9C this winter which I thought was amazing where Cordyline australis is native. Photos of his garden showed less damage than one would have expected from the same sort of low for me. Rarity of day frosts he says.

His Furcraea quicheensis are of the same provenance as the seed I offered about on the swap page a month or so ago. Since the F.parmentieri/bedinghousii types that I grow outside here would be killed outright in -9C I think the taxon has great potential, seeing his large plants with only a little leaf tip damage.

Doryanthes palmeri came through the 1987 winter on Tresco as I recall, and I remember the one at Fox-Rosehill which is a fine Garden (is thelarge Cordyline indivisa still there?)
I bought some seeds from Oz which germinated and grew on very easily with a claim from the supplier that they would go down to around -5C, but I didn't manage to get them through the hard winter which followed. I sent one to a garden in far west nearly frost-free Kerry which stil grows very slowly and is desperate for a little heat. I still think it would be worth growing if only one could find larger plants for sale. Anyone know of a source?


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Marc H wrote:
A friend of mine who lives in Christchurch NZ says they had a frost of -9C this winter which I thought was amazing where Cordyline australis is native. Photos of his garden showed less damage than one would have expected from the same sort of low for me. Rarity of day frosts he says.

His Furcraea quicheensis are of the same provenance as the seed I offered about on the swap page a month or so ago. Since the F.parmentieri/bedinghousii types that I grow outside here would be killed outright in -9C I think the taxon has great potential, seeing his large plants with only a little leaf tip damage.

Doryanthes palmeri came through the 1987 winter on Tresco as I recall, and I remember the one at Fox-Rosehill which is a fine Garden (is thelarge Cordyline indivisa still there?)
I bought some seeds from Oz which germinated and grew on very easily with a claim from the supplier that they would go down to around -5C, but I didn't manage to get them through the hard winter which followed. I sent one to a garden in far west nearly frost-free Kerry which stil grows very slowly and is desperate for a little heat. I still think it would be worth growing if only one could find larger plants for sale. Anyone know of a source?


Hi Mark - where does your friend live in Christchurch ? - Because the all time historical extreme low ever recorded within Christchurch boundaries was -7.1°c at the botanical gardens and -7.2°c at the Airport.

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Albey wrote:

Hi Mark - where does your friend live in Christchurch ? - Because the all time historical extreme low ever recorded within Christchurch boundaries was -7.1°c at the botanical gardens and -7.2°c at the Airport.


Interesting, -7.2C was also Tresco's record low in 1987. Makes me wonder about the discontinuity of what can be grow in either place: well, obviously there more continuity. But one place is a bit warmer overall, a bit sunnier, but has more ground frosts...still not convinced a Doryanthes wouldn't somehow make it on a sheltered North facing (gosh, it seems silly to say that) building wall in Christchurch. When I had light frosts in the very mild winter of 2011-2012 here, the masonry walls of my house were enough to protect, for example, a Petunia that bloomed right up to Christmas. I guess the question would be whether they have enough winter sun there to warm things back up during the day.

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Albey - just curious how close do you have to get to Auckland to see Crape Myrtles? As that is something of a "warm*, sunny summer" indicator plant, I'd guess they are not really seen on the South Island at all. At Maggiore they were blooming in mid-September while in the US SE they bloom in mid July. They seem to need summers that are least 24C/16C (76/62F).

* - hot for the commonwealth frame of reference!

BTW - Kev - what I really loved was the "Gulf Steam" instead of "Gulf Stream!"


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Post Re: Doryanthes palmeri ( Spear Lily )
Marc H wrote:
Anyone know of a source?


Pepiniere Issa (Valflaunes - France) occasionally sells them (http://pepiniereissa.fr/)

I have bought one from them (that I give some 'uber'-TLC during winter)...


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davidmdzn7 wrote:
Albey wrote:
EDIT:
Albey - just curious how close do you have to get to Auckland to see Crape Myrtles? As that is something of a "warm*, sunny summer" indicator plant, I'd guess they are not really seen on the South Island at all. At Maggiore they were blooming in mid-September while in the US SE they bloom in mid July. They seem to need summers that are least 24C/16C (76/62F).


Hi David
We can grow Crape myrtles here in Christchurch - this one below is at the Lincoln University, which is just a few miles south-west of Christchurch.

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